Developers of Sympa

[Soji Ikeda <address@concealed>]

2018/06/07 19:08、David Verdin <address@concealed>のメール:

> Hi again Soji !
> 
> 
> On 07/06/2018 11:44, IKEDA Soji wrote:
>>> Done!
>> What about archives?
> Done too. Archives rebuilding is done.
>> 
>>>>>> - Please remove two repositories on GitHub at this time: dotorg and
>>>>>>     old-renater-dokuwiki.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     These will not complete with repo itself (it looks requiring
>>>>>>     external resource), while their scope is ambiguous.
>>>>> I'm sorry, I did not understand what you mean here. You want us to
>>>>> remove these repositories from github? If it is yes, I did not get the
>>>>> reason.
>>>> When I asked at first, Marc denied to give reason.
>>> Well, I don't want to be rude but sending "Marc, please explain" on a
>>> mailing list is NOT a good way to ask a question. Giving context is
>>> primordial if you want to be understood.
>>> So let's all forget about this flamewar and focus on the great task that
>>> are awaiting us, shall we? I, for one, am very excited about all the
>>> great things we are about to do!
>> My post on the list is not the beginning.  Do you forget conversasion
>> on IRC (in 24 May, before my post on list)?  Anyhow I have been
>> waiting, and will read proposal from now on.
> I was not following this conversation. I caught some parts of it and i 
> seems that things went out of control at some point indeed. I'm really 
> sorry it went this way.
> However, people in the lists are not all following the chat. Giving 
> background would still have been relevant, I think.

Indeed, I realized it’s irrelevant.  I want to apologize my offensive post 
without explanation.


>> Simple creation of repo, branch or PR may not matter.  However, it
>> looked implying usage of external resource.  It is not easily
>> reversible.  Such thing may not be decided by limited discussion.
> Of course. However, it is still good to work on translating wiki syntax to 
> markdown - as you did with the manual - which makes all this content 
> independent from hosting.
> And working on a way to expose this content on platform nicer than Github 
> pages - especially considering the recent acquisition of Github by 
> Microsoft is a work that won't be lost.

That metaphor is not necessarily appropriate, but there seems 
some truth. 

Honestly, I think we would be better to be independent from
RENATER: We are The Sympa Community, not only a project nursed
by them.  (You remember, once I told you an idea about relation between us 
and them.)

I’ll write on this further after reading report.

> Your concern about external resources is very important. RENATER failed in 
> the past, so we must get guarantees to prevent such a situation to arise 
> again.
> Why not opening an issue on dotorg project about hosting with the questions 
> you asked? This would be a good way to reach a decision.

For fair discussion, I ask for removing it once.

>> Please make fair discussion, if you want to make great work.
> Actually, you make great work already - and since a long time. The point is 
> for the rest of us to start making great work too. ;-)
>>>>    I can't agree to
>>>> such manner.
>>>> 
>>>> Please remove repository "dotorg" and "old-renater-dokuwiki" once,
>>>> then wait until we read report, discuss about it and at last create
>>>> them if necessary.
>>> Nope, I won't.  A lot of repositories have been created during last year
>>> hackathon - with only agreement from hackathon attendees - and nobody
>>> complained.
>>> If (which I doubt) the purpose of these repositories is pointless, they
>>> will be mechanically abandoned. In the meantime, I see no reason to get
>>> rid of them. In addition, Marc already started working on it, that would
>>> be very unelegant to simply wipe this work.
>>>>>> - Regardless to discussion at Hackathon, please publish the report of
>>>>>>     Survey 2015 as soon as possible (I don't know whether it was
>>>>>>     discussed or not, but it will be decided by surveyer anyway).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>       - If translation was not finished, French does not matter.
>>>>>>       - Please don't stick to grave way.  The fastest way is posting it
>>>>>>         to mailing lists.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     It should be published earlier.  Recent several months of delay is
>>>>>>     inexcusable in comparison with l'intérêt public, isn't it?
>>>>> Indeed. Listen, I'll try to translate it mysqlkef (which I had
>>>>> originally planned but, well, let's not speak ill of current support).
>>>> Please publish.  When can you publish it?
>>> What about next week?
>> Thanks.
> Good!
> 
> I'm looking forward to reading your comment on the rest of the hackathon 
> report.

Thanks for considering.


Regards,
— Soji

> Best regards,
> 
> David
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> -- Soji
>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> David
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> -- Soji
>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>> David
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> -- Soji
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 17:09:46 +0200
>>>>>> David Verdin <address@concealed> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At long last, here is the hackathon report. Enjoy!
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> "Mieux vaut viser la perfection et la rater que viser la médiocrité et 
>>>>> l'atteindre."
>>>>> - Francis Blanche
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>> "Mieux vaut viser la perfection et la rater que viser la médiocrité et 
>>> l'atteindre."
>>> - Francis Blanche
>>> 
>>> 
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> -- 
> "Mieux vaut viser la perfection et la rater que viser la médiocrité et 
> l'atteindre."
> - Francis Blanche
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