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- From: Steve Shipway <address@concealed>
- To: Matt Taggart <address@concealed>, "address@concealed" <address@concealed>
- Subject: RE: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?
- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 01:10:11 +0000
I've been doing some more investigation on what Yahoo are up to.
Firstly, they are signing the message with *TWO* headers; DKIM-Signature AND
DomainKey-Signature. These are very similar but not identical. We only
strip and re-add the DKIM-Signature header, so the other continues through
and flags as invalid... we need to add DomainKey-Signature to our list of
stripped incoming headers, which may yet help. I'm not sure, but I think
that the identity-validation step is performed prior to header stripping, so
dkim-validated posting rights should still work.
Secondly, the DKIM header is ridiculously detailed. This is the list of
headers it signs:
h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply
-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type;
Leaving aside the X-* headers, most of which are their own, I fail to see
the point in signing the Received header! This effectively makes the
signature invalid the moment it passes through another system, even if the
Reply-To header is not altered, as everything adds a Received header to the
set. Total overkill; Reply-To and Received should not be in there. As a
comparison, this is the list of headers which we sign:
h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version
This is the Yahoo.com DMARC record:
v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=none; pct=100;
rua=mailto:address@concealed;
This means that, 100% of the time, reject messages which fail the policy.
Their SPF record states:
v=spf1 ptr:yahoo.com ptr:yahoo.net ?all
This is pretty lenient, and so should just do a soft fail if the message
comes from somewhere it should not. If they are using incoming SIDF in
non-compatible mode, it should check the envelope sender (which will be
correct as it is changed) and the PRA. The PRA should be the Sender header
or Reply-To, both of which are correct, but if it checks From then it will
(soft) fail.
Running a few tests, even striping the DomainKey-Signature and
DKIM-Signature headers still result in their responding with a '5.7.9
Message not accepted for policy reasons ' error, directing me to
http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html . This confirms the
issue is DKIM or SPF but unhelpfully does not tell us which or how.
If I can identify any more I'll let people know.
Sadly, we can't just refuse Yahoo.com emails here; we are a university with
many students who use this sort of service.
Steve Shipway
address@concealed
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RE: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?
, (continued)
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RE: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?,
Steve Shipway, 04/07/2014
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Re: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?,
Erik Olson, 04/07/2014
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RE: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?,
Steve Shipway, 04/07/2014
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Re: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?,
Erik Olson, 04/08/2014
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RE: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?,
Steve Shipway, 04/08/2014
- Re: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?, Erik Olson, 04/08/2014
- Re: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?, Erik Olson, 04/08/2014
- RE: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?, Steve Shipway, 04/08/2014
- Re: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?, Adam Bernstein, 04/08/2014
- Re: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?, Matt Taggart, 04/08/2014
- RE: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?, Steve Shipway, 04/09/2014
- Re: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?, Matt Taggart, 04/11/2014
- Re: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?, Adam Bernstein, 04/11/2014
- RE: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?, Steve Shipway, 04/24/2014
- Re: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?, Erik Olson, 04/24/2014
- RE: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?, Steve Shipway, 04/25/2014
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RE: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?,
Steve Shipway, 04/08/2014
- Re: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?, Matt Taggart, 04/24/2014
- Re: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?, Miles Fidelman, 04/24/2014
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Re: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?,
Erik Olson, 04/08/2014
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RE: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?,
Steve Shipway, 04/07/2014
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Re: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?,
Erik Olson, 04/07/2014
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RE: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?,
Steve Shipway, 04/07/2014
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RE: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?,
Steve Shipway, 04/08/2014
- Re: [sympa-users] problems with DMARC?, Miles Fidelman, 04/08/2014
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