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[IKEDA Soji <address@concealed>]

Hi Racke,

2016/09/30 18:22、Stefan Hornburg (Racke) <address@concealed> のメッセージ:

>> On 09/22/2016 09:10 AM, IKEDA Soji wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Didn't you comb out the log output? Even with default log level, much more 
>> lines can be shown.
>> 
>> BTW, can you wait for a while (for several to tens of minutes) after 
>> addition/removal of moderators and check if change
>> is available?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> -- Soji
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I found one problem which prevents updating the admin_table with the 
> moderator changes, which
> really should be done after changing the corresponding configuration in the 
> UI.
> 
> Apparently it skips the database update when certain TTLs aren't exceeded, 
> so I attached
> a patch which fixes this particular problem.
> 
> This is only part of the problem, as deleted moderators can even after 
> hours still post
> to the mailing list (which restricts posting to moderators).

I worry that, if editor_include or owner_include refers heavy datasource(s), 
response by edit_list page will be slowed down.  I think that is one of 
reasons why TTL had been introduced.

Any ideas?

Regards,

-- Soji

> Regards
>    Racke
> 
> 
>> 
>> 2016/09/22 14:24、Mp Mptri (via sympa-users Mailing List) 
>> <address@concealed
>> <mailto:address@concealed>> のメッセージ:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I turned logging level to 2.
>>> Test scenario:
>>> - list is type newsletter, only moderators allowed to send
>>> - removing editor/moderator from list via web ui, then sending mail from 
>>> its address
>>> --> mail still gets delivered
>>> 
>>> Log output:
>>> 2016-09-22T06:55:13.839014+02:00 mysympaserver wwsympa[26656]: debug2 
>>> Sympa::List::sync_include_admin() Removing
>>> editor address@concealed <mailto:address@concealed> 
>>> to list testlist
>>> 2016-09-22T06:55:35.602066+02:00 mysympaserver sympa_msg[26669]: notice 
>>> Sympa::Spindle::ProcessIncoming::_twist()
>>> Processing Sympa::Message <address@concealed 
>>> <mailto:address@concealed>.1474520134.26704>;
>>> address@concealed 
>>> <mailto:address@concealed>;
>>> address@concealed
>>> <mailto:address@concealed>; 
>>> address@concealed
>>> <mailto:address@concealed>
>>> 2016-09-22T06:55:35.642741+02:00 mysympaserver sympa_msg[26669]: debug2 
>>> Sympa::List::is_admin(Sympa::List
>>> <address@concealed <mailto:address@concealed>>, 
>>> actual_editor, address@concealed
>>> <mailto:address@concealed>, )
>>> 
>>> So it looks like the configuration with address@concealed 
>>> <mailto:address@concealed> is still
>>> active, even though it has been removed already as the logs say...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Any explanation for this?
>>> 
>>> regards,
>>> mp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2016-09-22 6:04 GMT+02:00 Mp Mptri <address@concealed 
>>> <mailto:address@concealed>>:
>>> 
>>>    Hi,
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    I did further testing, the error posted before is not my issue. This 
>>> error is seen only if I remove a moderator
>>>    and then add it again without reloading the page.
>>> 
>>>    regards,
>>>    mp
>>> 
>>>    2016-09-22 5:56 GMT+02:00 IKEDA Soji <address@concealed 
>>> <mailto:address@concealed>>:
>>> 
>>>        Hi,
>>> 
>>>        2016/09/21 19:23、Mp Mptri (via sympa-users Mailing List) 
>>> <address@concealed
>>>        <mailto:address@concealed>> のメッセージ:
>>> 
>>>>        Hi,
>>>> 
>>>>        I did one more test for adding a moderator (which was 
>>>> successfully removed before) and now see following
>>>>        error in log:
>>>> 
>>>>        2016-09-21T12:17:03.444969+02:00 sympa wwsympa[18897]: err 
>>>> main::#1662 > main::do_edit_list#12463 >
>>>>        Sympa::List::sync_include_admin#7488 > 
>>>> Sympa::List::add_list_admin#4159 Unable to add admin
>>>>        address@concealed <mailto:address@concealed> to table 
>>>> admin_table for list Sympa::List
>>>>        <address@concealed <mailto:address@concealed>>:
>>>>        2016-09-21T12:17:03.445302+02:00 sympa wwsympa[18897]: err 
>>>> main::#1662 > main::do_edit_list#12463 >
>>>>        Sympa::List::sync_include_admin#7490 Failed to add new editor(s) 
>>>> to list Sympa::List <address@concealed
>>>>        <mailto:address@concealed>>
>>>> 
>>>>        Any hints?
>>> 
>>>        Is there the reason of failure (perhaps addition to admin_table 
>>> failed) in some lines before the lines you shown?
>>> 
>>>>        2016-09-21 11:27 GMT+02:00 Mp Mptri <address@concealed 
>>>> <mailto:address@concealed>>:
>>>> 
>>>>            Hi,
>>>> 
>>>>            there is an error in sympa log if adding another moderator:
>>>> 
>>>>            2016-09-21T11:17:09.375147+02:00 xxxxx wwsympa[18890]: err 
>>>> main::#1662 > main::do_edit_list#12434 >
>>>>            Sympa::List::new#376 > Sympa::List::load#808 > 
>>>> Sympa::List::_load_list_config_file#8852 Expecting a
>>>>            paragraph for "creation" parameter in 
>>>> /var/lib/sympa/list_data/testlist/config, ignore it
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>            Log entry tells to ignore - but may this lead to my issue?
>>>> 
>>>>            regards,
>>>>            mp
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>            2016-09-21 9:21 GMT+02:00 IKEDA Soji <address@concealed 
>>>> <mailto:address@concealed>>:
>>>> 
>>>>                Hi,
>>>> 
>>>>                On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 08:35:16 +0200
>>>>                Mp Mptri <address@concealed 
>>>> <mailto:address@concealed>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> - version 6.2.16
>>>>> - configuration change: via web UI, add/orr remove an addiontal 
>>>>> moderator
>>>>> 
>>>>> Test scenario:
>>>>> - moderators only allowed to send to specified list
>>>>> - the newly added moderator sends mail and gets rejected (but gets the 
>>>>> mail
>>>>> information that he is added as moderator before)
>>>>> - sympa restart and everything is fine immediately
>>>>> --> same behaviour on removing an moderator
>>>>> 
>>>>> Logs show "rejected() because sender not allowed", after restart sympa
>>>>> evrything fine with logs too...
>>>> 
>>>>                How about the logs during addition/removal of moderators?
>>>> 
>>>>                Regards,
>>>> 
>>>>                 -- Soji
>>>> 
>>>>                BTW reply would be better to be sent to the list.  Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> mp
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2016-09-21 7:26 GMT+02:00 IKEDA Soji <address@concealed 
>>>>> <mailto:address@concealed>>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Would you please tell details of the problem?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - What is the version of Sympa you are using?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - How you changed configuration? Whom you added, whom you removed,
>>>>>>  whom you didn't touch and so on?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Are there something odd in the log?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Soji
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 06:52:54 +0200
>>>>>> "Mp Mptri" (via sympa-users Mailing List) 
>>>>>> <address@concealed
>>>>                <mailto:address@concealed>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If I change configuration of a list (via web ui), in my case 
>>>>>>> add/remove
>>>>>>> editors, the corresponding configuration file is populated like 
>>>>>>> expected
>>>>>>> but this configuration never becomes active - until a sympa restart is
>>>>>>> initiated. How to change this behaviour? Any hints?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 株式会社 コンバージョン  セキュリティ&OSSソリューション部   池田荘児
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>>>>>> e-mail address@concealed <mailto:address@concealed>  TEL 
>>>>>> 03-6429-2880
>>>>>> http://www.conversion.co.jp/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>                --
>>>>                株式会社 コンバージョン  セキュリティ&OSSソリューション部   池田荘児
>>>>                〒140-0014 東京都品川区大井1-49-15 アクセス大井町ビル4F
>>>>                e-mail address@concealed 
>>>> <mailto:address@concealed>  TEL 03-6429-2880
>>>>                http://www.conversion.co.jp/
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