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  • From: Philippe Camps <address@concealed>
  • To: address@concealed, olivier servas ATILF <address@concealed>
  • Subject: Re: [sympa-fr] Administration de sympa Gestion d'une personne qui n'est pas dans les listes sympa
  • Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:12:34 +0200

Bonjour,

Ce qui me surprend, c'est que des mails envoyés à des personnes arrivent à sympa.
Sympa ne devrait être destinataire que des messages envoyés à des noms de listes et les messages sympa et sympabounce eux mêmes.
D'ailleurs, on voit que dans tes logs, sympa rale car il reçoit des message qui ne sont pas des noms de liste.
Il doit y avoir un problème d'alias.

Je ne peux pas t'en suggérer plus car de mon côté, le MTA sympa est différent du MTA du serveur de messagerie.
Je n'utilise pas le "/var/lib/sympa/sympa_aliases" fourni par sympa, mais tu pourrais regarder son contenu ...


Le 28/06/2019 à 13:49, olivier servas ATILF a écrit :

Bonjour,

Dans l'environnement suivant :

  •  Bounced 6.2.35b.1 Started
  • Zimbra version
  • [root@zimbra ~]# sudo -u zimbra /opt/zimbra/bin/zmcontrol -v
    Release 8.8.3_GA_1872.RHEL7_64_20170905143325 RHEL7_64 FOSS edition.
Anti spam RENATER
[root@zimbra msg]# cat /etc/redhat-release
CentOS Linux release 7.6.1810 (Core)

Comment je peux régler le problème suivant dans sympa coupler avec zimbra :

 Une personne de l'extérieur via une liste quelconque envoie un message à une personne de chez moi  qui n’existe plus dans les listes , le mta  de zimbra  (après tout la personne n'a pas forcément un compte de messagerie dans mon labo) le laisse passer et sympa le récupère, mais ne le rejette pas ? ( du fait que cette personne n'est plus dans les listes  )  ?

a-t-il un oubli ou un problème de configuration ? 

drwxr-x--- 2 sympa sympa 231 28 juin  11:20 bad
[root@zimbra ~]# ll /var/spool/sympa/msg/bad
total 420
-rw------- 1 sympa sympa  68563 28 juin  11:07 address@concealed
-rw------- 1 sympa sympa 235190 28 juin  11:08 address@concealed
-rw------- 1 sympa sympa  39118 28 juin  10:59 address@concealed
-rw------- 1 sympa sympa  37547 28 juin  11:10 address@concealed
-rw------- 1 sympa sympa  37117 28 juin  11:20 address@concealed

De ce fait, dans le temps les spoolers se remplisent et le message est regénérer tant que celui-ci se trouve dans la base de données , ensuite  j'explose ma base de données  (sympa stocke cela dans la table logs_table sans purger cela ?)  qui génère beaucoup de ressources  UC, .... et commence à perturber son copain zimbra c'est pas sympa

Donc, je pense que ce problème doit être récurent et traiter par d'autres ? Alors,  quelle solution (méthode, configuration ou autre) a mettre en oeuvre pour jetter le message ou le renvoyer car la personne n'existe pas ou plus dans la liste ?

Bien cordialement, merci pour réponses



exemple : un message est envoyé à  address@concealed,  ou address@concealed, .... qui n'exite plus (dans Zimbra et Sympa) ..  super pour faire du spam)

[root@zimbra ~]# systemctl status 'sympa*'
● sympa-bounce.service - Sympa mailing list manager (bounce processing)
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/sympa-bounce.service; static; vendor preset: disabled)
   Active: active (running) since ven. 2019-06-28 10:58:38 CEST; 45min ago
  Process: 14264 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/bounced.pl (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
 Main PID: 14274 (bounced.pl)
   CGroup: /system.slice/sympa-bounce.service
           └─14274 /usr/bin/perl /usr/sbin/bounced.pl

juin 28 10:58:37 zimbra.atilf.fr systemd[1]: Starting Sympa mailing list manager (bounce processing)...
juin 28 10:58:38 zimbra.atilf.fr bounced.pl[14274]: info main:: Configuration file read, default log level 0
juin 28 10:58:38 zimbra.atilf.fr bounced[14274]: notice main:: Bounced 6.2.35b.1 Started
juin 28 10:58:38 zimbra.atilf.fr systemd[1]: Started Sympa mailing list manager (bounce processing).

● sympa.service - Sympa mailing list manager
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/sympa.service; disabled; vendor preset: disabled)
  Drop-In: /etc/systemd/system/sympa.service.d
           └─dependencies.conf
   Active: active (running) since ven. 2019-06-28 10:58:37 CEST; 45min ago
  Process: 14256 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/sympa_msg.pl (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
  Process: 14251 ExecStartPre=/usr/sbin/sympa.pl --health_check (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
 Main PID: 14261 (sympa_msg.pl)
   CGroup: /system.slice/sympa.service
           └─14261 /usr/bin/perl /usr/sbin/sympa_msg.pl

juin 28 11:10:11 zimbra.atilf.fr sympa_msg[14261]: notice Sympa::Spindle::ProcessTemplate::_twist() Processing Sympa::Message::Template <address@concealed,8027/shelved:dkim_sign>;...
juin 28 11:10:11 zimbra.atilf.fr sympa_msg[14261]: notice Sympa::Bulk::store() Message Sympa::Message::Template <address@concealed,8027/shelved:dkim_sign> is stored in...,14261,7150>
juin 28 11:20:47 zimbra.atilf.fr sympa_msg[14261]: notice Sympa::Spindle::ProcessIncoming::_twist() Processing Sympa::Message <address@concealed>; envelope_sender=communica...
juin 28 11:20:47 zimbra.atilf.fr sympa_msg[14261]: err main::#243 > Sympa::Spindle::spin#83 > Sympa::Spindle::ProcessIncoming::_twist#236 List inka.wissner does not exist
juin 28 11:20:47 zimbra.atilf.fr sympa_msg[14261]: notice Sympa::Spindle::ProcessTemplate::_twist() Processing Sympa::Message::Template <address@concealed,5752/shelved:dkim_sign>;...
juin 28 11:20:47 zimbra.atilf.fr sympa_msg[14261]: notice Sympa::Bulk::store() Message Sympa::Message::Template <address@concealed,5752/shelved:dkim_sign> is stored in...,14261,9357>
juin 28 11:35:13 zimbra.atilf.fr sympa_msg[14261]: notice Sympa::Spindle::ProcessIncoming::_twist() Processing Sympa::Message <address@concealed>; address@concealed
juin 28 11:35:13 zimbra.atilf.fr sympa_msg[14261]: err main::#243 > Sympa::Spindle::spin#83 > Sympa::Spindle::ProcessIncoming::_twist#236 List zina.tucsnak does not exist
juin 28 11:35:13 zimbra.atilf.fr sympa_msg[14261]: notice Sympa::Spindle::ProcessTemplate::_twist() Processing Sympa::Message::Template <address@concealed,8796/shelved:dkim_sign>;...
juin 28 11:35:13 zimbra.atilf.fr sympa_msg[14261]: notice Sympa::Bulk::store() Message Sympa::Message::Template <address@concealed,8796/shelved:dkim_sign> is stored in...,14261,3016>

● sympa-archive.service - Sympa mailing list manager (archiving)
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/sympa-archive.service; static; vendor preset: disabled)
   Active: active (running) since ven. 2019-06-28 10:58:38 CEST; 45min ago
  Process: 14263 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/archived.pl (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
 Main PID: 14269 (archived.pl)
   CGroup: /system.slice/sympa-archive.service
           └─14269 /usr/bin/perl /usr/sbin/archived.pl

juin 28 10:58:37 zimbra.atilf.fr systemd[1]: Starting Sympa mailing list manager (archiving)...
juin 28 10:58:38 zimbra.atilf.fr archived.pl[14269]: info main:: Configuration file read, default log level 0
juin 28 10:58:38 zimbra.atilf.fr archived[14269]: notice main:: Archived 6.2.35b.1 Started
juin 28 10:58:38 zimbra.atilf.fr systemd[1]: Started Sympa mailing list manager (archiving).
juin 28 11:07:03 zimbra.atilf.fr archived[14269]: notice Sympa::Spindle::ProcessArchive::_twist() Processing Sympa::Message <address@concealed,14261,address@concealed
juin 28 11:07:03 zimbra.atilf.fr archived[14269]: notice Sympa::Spindle::ProcessArchive::_twist() Archiving Sympa::Message <address@concealed,14261,address@concealed>
juin 28 11:07:03 zimbra.atilf.fr archived[14269]: notice Sympa::Archive::store() Message Sympa::Message <address@concealed,14261,8920/shelved:dkim_sign> is s...-06> as <69>

● sympa-outgoing.service - Sympa mailing list manager (message distribution)
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/sympa-outgoing.service; static; vendor preset: disabled)
   Active: active (running) since ven. 2019-06-28 10:58:38 CEST; 45min ago
  Process: 14262 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/bulk.pl (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
 Main PID: 14270 (bulk.pl)
   CGroup: /system.slice/sympa-outgoing.service
           └─14270 /usr/bin/perl /usr/sbin/bulk.pl

juin 28 11:07:31 zimbra.atilf.fr bulk[14270]: notice Sympa::Spindle::ProcessOutgoing::_twist() Start sending message Sympa::Message <address@concealed...dition date)
juin 28 11:07:31 zimbra.atilf.fr bulk[14270]: notice Sympa::Mailer::store() Done sending message Sympa::Message <address@concealed,14261,1581/s> for ...edition date
juin 28 11:08:56 zimbra.atilf.fr bulk[14270]: notice Sympa::Spindle::ProcessOutgoing::_twist() Start sending message Sympa::Message <address@concealed...dition date)
juin 28 11:08:57 zimbra.atilf.fr bulk[14270]: notice Sympa::Mailer::store() Done sending message Sympa::Message <address@concealed,14261,5721/s> for ...edition date
juin 28 11:10:11 zimbra.atilf.fr bulk[14270]: notice Sympa::Spindle::ProcessOutgoing::_twist() Start sending message Sympa::Message <address@concealed...dition date)
juin 28 11:10:11 zimbra.atilf.fr bulk[14270]: notice Sympa::Mailer::store() Done sending message Sympa::Message <address@concealed,14261,7150/s> for ...edition date
juin 28 11:20:47 zimbra.atilf.fr bulk[14270]: notice Sympa::Spindle::ProcessOutgoing::_twist() Start sending message Sympa::Message <address@concealed...dition date)
juin 28 11:20:47 zimbra.atilf.fr bulk[14270]: notice Sympa::Mailer::store() Done sending message Sympa::Message <address@concealed,14261,9357/s> for ...edition date
juin 28 11:35:14 zimbra.atilf.fr bulk[14270]: notice Sympa::Spindle::ProcessOutgoing::_twist() Start sending message Sympa::Message <address@concealed...dition date)
juin 28 11:35:14 zimbra.atilf.fr bulk[14270]: notice Sympa::Mailer::store() Done sending message Sympa::Message <address@concealed,14261,3016/s> for ...edition date

● sympa-task.service - Sympa mailing list manager (task management)
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/sympa-task.service; static; vendor preset: disabled)
   Active: active (running) since ven. 2019-06-28 10:58:38 CEST; 45min ago
  Process: 14265 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/task_manager.pl (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
 Main PID: 14271 (task_manager.pl)
   CGroup: /system.slice/sympa-task.service
           └─14271 /usr/bin/perl /usr/sbin/task_manager.pl

juin 28 10:59:46 zimbra.atilf.fr task_manager[14271]: notice main::execute() Running task /var/spool/sympa/task/1561712318..expire_bounce._global, line 0 with vars )
juin 28 10:59:46 zimbra.atilf.fr task_manager[14271]: notice main::next_cmd() line 9 of expire_bounce : next (1561798786, ACTION)
juin 28 10:59:46 zimbra.atilf.fr task_manager[14271]: notice main::create() Creation of /var/spool/sympa/task/1561798786.ACTION.expire_bounce._global
juin 28 10:59:46 zimbra.atilf.fr task_manager[14271]: notice main::create() With model /usr/share/sympa/default/global_task_models/expire_bounce.daily.task
juin 28 10:59:46 zimbra.atilf.fr task_manager[14271]: notice main::next_cmd() --> new task expire_bounce (2019-06-29 10:59:46)
juin 28 10:59:46 zimbra.atilf.fr task_manager[14271]: notice main::execute() Running task /address@concealed, line 0 with vars )
juin 28 10:59:46 zimbra.atilf.fr task_manager[14271]: notice main::next_cmd() line 4 of remind : next (1593248386, EXEC)
juin 28 10:59:46 zimbra.atilf.fr task_manager[14271]: notice main::create() Creation of /address@concealed
juin 28 10:59:46 zimbra.atilf.fr task_manager[14271]: notice main::create() With model /usr/share/sympa/default/list_task_models/remind.yearly.task
juin 28 10:59:46 zimbra.atilf.fr task_manager[14271]: notice main::next_cmd() --> new task remind (2020-06-27 10:59:46)
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Voici ma configuration de sympa :

[root@zimbra ~]# sympa_wizard.pl --display
[SYMPA]
alias_manager="/usr/sbin/alias_manager.pl"
aliases_db_type="hash"
aliases_program="newaliases"
allow_subscribe_if_pending="on"
allowed_external_origin=""
anonymous_header_fields="Authentication-Results,Disposition-Notification-To,DKIM-Signature,Injection-Info,Organisation,Organization,Original-Recipient,Originator,Path,Received,Received-SPF,Reply-To,Resent-Reply-To,Return-Receipt-To,X-Envelope-From,X-Envelope-To,X-Sender,X-X-Sender"
anonymous_session_table_ttl="1h"
antispam_feature="off"
antispam_tag_header_ham_regexp="^\s*No"
antispam_tag_header_name="X-Spam-Status"
antispam_tag_header_spam_regexp="^\s*Yes"
antivirus_args=""
antivirus_notify="sender"
antivirus_path=""
arc_path="/var/lib/sympa/arc"
archive_default_index="thrd"
automatic_list_creation="public"
automatic_list_families=""
automatic_list_feature="off"
automatic_list_prefix=""
automatic_list_removal="none"
avg="10"
bcrypt_cost="12"
bg_color="#ffffcc"
bounce_delay="0"
bounce_email_prefix="bounce"
bounce_halt_rate="50"
bounce_path="/var/lib/sympa/bounce"
bounce_warn_rate="30"
bulk_fork_threshold="1"
bulk_lazytime="600"
bulk_max_count="3"
bulk_sleep="1"
bulk_wait_to_fork="10"
cache_list_config="none"
cafile="/usr/share/sympa/default/ca-bundle.crt"
capath=""
challenge_table_ttl="5d"
clean_delay_queue="7"
clean_delay_queueauth="30"
clean_delay_queueautomatic="10"
clean_delay_queuebounce="7"
clean_delay_queuebulk="7"
clean_delay_queuedigest="14"
clean_delay_queuemod="30"
clean_delay_queueoutgoing="7"
clean_delay_queuesubscribe="30"
clean_delay_queuetopic="30"
clean_delay_tmpdir="7"
color_0="#f7f7f7"
color_1="#222222"
color_10="#983222"
color_11="#66aaff"
color_12="#ffe7e7"
color_13="#f48a7b"
color_14="#ffff99"
color_15="#fe57a1"
color_2="#004b94"
color_3="#5e5e5e"
color_4="#4c4c4c"
color_5="#0090e9"
color_6="#005ab2"
color_7="#ffffff"
color_8="#f2f6f9"
color_9="#bfd2e1"
cookie="7b86031f97ec4d44ac95159a18e1885c"
cookie_domain="localhost"
cookie_expire="0"
cookie_refresh="60"
create_list="public_listmaster"
css_path="/var/lib/sympa/css"
css_url="/static-sympa/css"
custom_archiver=""
custom_robot_parameter=""
dark_color="#c0c0c0"
db_additional_subscriber_fields=""
db_additional_user_fields=""
db_env=""
db_host="localhost"
db_list_cache="off"
db_name="sympa"
db_options=""
db_passwd="sympa"
db_port=""
db_timeout=""
db_type="mysql"
db_user="sympa"
default_archive_quota=""
default_bounce_level1_rate="45"
default_bounce_level2_rate="75"
default_distribution_ttl="300"
default_home="home"
default_list_priority="5"
default_max_list_members="0"
default_remind_task=""
default_shared_quota=""
default_sql_fetch_timeout="300"
default_ttl="3600"
dkim_add_signature_to="robot,list"
dkim_feature="on"
dkim_private_key_path="/etc/sympa/cle_dkim"
dkim_selector="lists"
dkim_signature_apply_on="any"
dkim_signer_domain="atilf.fr"
dkim_signer_identity=""
dmarc_protection_domain_regex=""
dmarc_protection_other_email=""
dmarc_protection_phrase="name_via_list"
domain="atilf.fr"
edit_list="owner"
email="sympa"
error_color="#ff6666"
etc="/etc/sympa"
eval_bouncers_task="daily"
expire_bounce_task="daily"
favicon_url=""
filesystem_encoding="utf8"
gecos="POSTMASTER"
global_remind="listmaster"
home="/var/lib/sympa/list_data"
host=""
html_editor_init=""
html_editor_url=""
htmlarea_url=""
http_host=""
ignore_x_no_archive_header_feature="off"
incoming_max_count="1"
key_passwd=""
lang="fr"
ldap_force_canonical_email="1"
legacy_character_support_feature="off"
light_color="#aaddff"
list_check_helo=""
list_check_regexp="request|owner|editor|unsubscribe|subscribe"
list_check_smtp=""
list_check_suffixes="request,owner,editor,unsubscribe,subscribe"
listmaster="address@concealed,address@concealed,address@concealed"
listmaster_email="listmaster"
log_condition=""
log_facility="LOCAL1"
log_level="0"
log_module=""
log_smtp="off"
log_socket_type="unix"
logo_html_definition=""
logs_expiration_period="3"
loop_command_decrease_factor="0.5"
loop_command_max="200"
loop_command_sampling_delay="3600"
loop_prevention_regex="mailer-daemon|sympa|listserv|majordomo|smartlist|mailman"
main_menu_custom_button_1_target=""
main_menu_custom_button_1_title=""
main_menu_custom_button_1_url=""
main_menu_custom_button_2_target=""
main_menu_custom_button_2_title=""
main_menu_custom_button_2_url=""
main_menu_custom_button_3_target=""
main_menu_custom_button_3_title=""
main_menu_custom_button_3_url=""
max_size="5242880"
max_wrong_password="19"
maxsmtp="40"
merge_feature="off"
mhonarc="/usr/bin/mhonarc"
minimum_bouncing_count="10"
minimum_bouncing_period="10"
misaddressed_commands="reject"
misaddressed_commands_regexp="((subscribe\s+(\S+)|unsubscribe\s+(\S+)|signoff\s+(\S+)|set\s+(\S+)\s+(mail|nomail|digest))\s*)"
move_user="auth"
msgid_table_cleanup_frequency="3600"
msgid_table_cleanup_ttl="86400"
nrcpt="25"
_one_time_ticket_lifetime_="2d"
_one_time_ticket_lockout_="one_time"
_one_time_ticket_table_ttl_="10d"
owner_domain=""
owner_domain_min="0"
owner_priority="9"
parsed_family_files="message.footer,message.header,message.footer.mime,message.header.mime,info"
password_case="insensitive"
password_hash="md5"
password_hash_update="1"
password_validation=""
pictures_feature="on"
pictures_max_size="102400"
pictures_path="/var/lib/sympa/pictures"
pictures_url="/static-sympa/pictures"
process_archive="on"
process_bouncers_task="weekly"
purge_challenge_table_task="daily"
purge_logs_table_task="daily"
purge_one_time_ticket_table_task="daily"
purge_orphan_bounces_task="monthly"
purge_session_table_task="daily"
purge_spools_task="daily"
purge_tables_task="daily"
purge_user_table_task="monthly"
queue="/var/spool/sympa/msg"
queueauth="/var/spool/sympa/auth"
queueautomatic="/var/spool/sympa/automatic"
queuebounce="/var/spool/sympa/bounce"
queuebulk="/var/spool/sympa/bulk"
queuedigest="/var/spool/sympa/digest"
queuemod="/var/spool/sympa/moderation"
queueoutgoing="/var/spool/sympa/outgoing"
queuesubscribe="/var/spool/sympa/subscribe"
queuetask="/var/spool/sympa/task"
queuetopic="/var/spool/sympa/topic"
reject_mail_from_automates_feature="on"
remind_return_path="owner"
remove_headers="X-Sympa-To,X-Family-To,Return-Receipt-To,Precedence,X-Sequence,Disposition-Notification-To,Sender"
reporting_spam_script_path=""
request_priority="0"
return_path_suffix="-owner"
review_page_size="25"
rfc2369_header_fields="help,subscribe,unsubscribe,post,owner,archive"
selected_color="#c0c0c0"
sender_headers="From"
sendmail="/opt/zimbra/common/sbin/sendmail"
sendmail_aliases="/var/lib/sympa/sympa_aliases"
sendmail_args="-oi -odi -oem"
session_table_ttl="2d"
shaded_color="#66cccc"
sleep="5"
soap_url=""
soap_url_local=""
spam_protection="_javascript_"
spam_status="x-spam-status"
spool="/var/spool/sympa"
ssl_cert_dir="/var/lib/sympa/X509-user-certs"
static_content_path="/var/lib/sympa/static_content"
static_content_url="/static-sympa"
stats_expiration_period="3"
supported_lang="ca,cs,de,el,en-US,es,et,eu,fi,fr,gl,hu,it,ja,ko,nb,nl,oc,pl,pt-BR,ru,sv,tr,vi,zh-CN,zh-TW"
sympa_packet_priority="5"
sympa_priority="1"
syslog="LOCAL2"
text_color="#000000"
title="Listes ATILF"
tmpdir="/var/spool/sympa/tmp"
tracking_default_retention_period="90"
tracking_delivery_status_notification="off"
tracking_message_disposition_notification="off"
umask="027"
update_db_field_types="auto"
urlize_min_size="10240"
use_blacklist="send,create_list"
use_fast_cgi="1"
use_html_editor="0"
verp_rate="0%"
viewlogs_page_size="25"
viewmail_dir="/var/spool/sympa/viewmail"
voot_feature="off"
web_archive_spam_protection="cookie"
welcome_return_path="owner"
wwsympa_url="https://zimbra.atilf.fr/sympa"

-- 
Bien cordialement, Olivier (Systems & Networks Engineer)
-------------------------
CNRS-ATILF   http://www.atilf.fr/  Tèl: 03 54 50 53 52   Bureau S03
Université de Lorraine http://www.univ-lorraine.fr/

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Philippe CAMPS
Administrateur Systèmes et Réseaux Tél : 04 67 14 39 85 address@concealed
IES - Institut d'Electronique et des systemes - UMR 5214 Campus Saint Priest Bâtiment 5 - CC5001 860 rue St Priest - 34095 Montpellier cedex 5 WWW.IES.UNIV-MONTP2.FR

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