Developers of Sympa

[David Verdin <address@concealed>]

On 17/05/2018 10:09, Stefan Hornburg (Racke) wrote:
> On 05/16/2018 06:26 AM, IKEDA Soji wrote:
> > Hi Racke,
> >
> > On Tue, 15 May 2018 19:23:01 +0200
> > "Stefan Hornburg (Racke)" <address@concealed> wrote:
> >
> > > On 05/15/2018 10:51 AM, IKEDA Soji wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 15 May 2018 10:18:18 +0200
> > > > David Verdin <address@concealed> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yep!
> > > > >
> > > > > We are 8 people which is a fairly nice group. Not too many, so
> > > > > discussion should be easy. Not too small ,so we can actually accomplish
> > > > > stuff. Pelas note that we will have one of the original sympa authors,
> > > > > Olivier Salaün who worked on the soft for more than 10 years!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm meeting him today to speak about the hackathon and what we could do
> > > > > there.
> > > > >
> > > > > We didn't speak about agenda, but I think that DBIX::Class and Dancer
> > > > > are definitely some topics that will be worked on... :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to work on Ikedas approach: doc -> test -> bug fix
> > > > I expect it will be discussed in hackathon.
> > > >
> > > > > Any other topic ?
> > > > In general, we would be better to discuss about follow-up of the last
> > > > hackathon and subsequent our work in this one year, won't we?
> > > >
> > > > For example: sympa-vue project presented mock of new GUI, but there
> > > > have been no discussion about implementation.
> > > > - https://github.com/sympa-community/sympa-vue/issues/1
> > > > - https://github.com/sympa-community/sympa/issues/20
> > > The idea would be to have a REST API sitting between the GUI and the Sympa
> > > core resp. database.
> > >
> > > This would also allow alternate implemenations of the GUI + retirement of SOAP
> > > interface.
> > On current web interfaces (WWSympa and SympaSOAP), I think there are
> > no objection to abandoning them.  Is it right?
> In principle, yes. But I want to avoid talking about abandoning Sympa 6 or 
> even parts
> of that. We have a good size community of users and IMHO it would be like 
> suicide for
> the project if we are doing that.
>
> So first of all, we are going to do an alternative GUI for Sympa 6 :-).
Indeed. Abandoning the current skin is not without drawbacks. Current 
customizations will be lost (customized list menus, branching to other 
tools and all the TT2 plugins for example).
Proposing an alternate skin is interesting, though, for people who don't 
want to use such features.
> > If it is right, we may plan new GUI from scratch (except on internal
> > interface with Sympa core).  Several issues need not waiting for
> > update of Sympa core (for example problem described below).
> >
> >                                  *
> >
> > GUI constructed over REST looks promising for me, however there is
> > a concern:
> >
> > Mock on sympa-vue seems expecting more "dynamic" appearance than
> > static HTML UI, e.g. on real-time status of each data source.
> > Contemporary technique like WebSocket may be used (along with
> > downgraded behavior for legacy browsers, of course).
> >
> > My concern is that, simple REST implementation can occupy one
> > Web socket --- namely one FastCGI process --- namely one Perl
> > interpreter --- by each client.  Currently I don't think out how to
> > overcome this problem.
> I prefer to take care of this down the road, when we actually have a proof
> of concept :-). No point in premature optimization - and we can add a caching
> layer if needed.
>
> Thanks for your valuable input to our plans
>
>      Racke
>
>
> > Regards,
> > -- Soji
> >
> > > Regards
> > >           Racke
> > >
> > > > Note that I don't mean that issue above would be given priority.
> > > > I mean that we would be better to take a backward glance: The last
> > > > hackathon, issue tracker on GitHub, ...everything we have done.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > -- Soji
> > > >
> > > > > The great hackathon organizer is eiro aka Marc Chantreux. He will take
> > > > > care of organization details, especially social events etc. I think he
> > > > > should write shortly about it. I know for sure he's been working on it
> > > > > the last weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 15/05/2018 05:38, IKEDA Soji wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 14 May 2018 17:37:57 +0200
> > > > > > "Stefan Hornburg (Racke)" <address@concealed> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it is very quiet about the Sympa Hackathon which is going to start next week.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any idea about how many people are going there, our agenda, social events etc?
> > > > > > By any chance people subscribing to sympa-hackathon-2018 list might
> > > > > > know how many people are subscribing (I didn't subscribe because I
> > > > > > cannot attend).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > -- Soji
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > >         Racke
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Ecommerce and Linux consulting + Perl and web application programming.
> > > > > > > Debian and Sympa administration. Provisioning with Ansible.
> > > > > --
> > > > > "Mieux vaut viser la perfection et la rater que viser la médiocrité et 
> > > > > l'atteindre."
> > > > > - Francis Blanche
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ecommerce and Linux consulting + Perl and web application programming.
> > > Debian and Sympa administration. Provisioning with Ansible.

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